In what sounded at times like an unmoderated family therapy session, Lori Vallow Daybell’s surviving son spoke with his mother for the first time in four years in a conversation recorded for his new podcast, “The Scar Wars Podcast.”

In the searing hour-long conversation,” which Colby Ryan called an interview, Vallow Daybell insisted that she had nothing to do with the deaths of 16-year-old Tylee Ryan and 7-year-old JJ Vallow, that she’d had multiple personal conversations with Jesus, and that the entire case against her was “way out of proportion.”

Vallow Daybell, speaking by phone from the Maricopa County jail in Arizona, told her son she came upon JJ and Tylee after both were already dead — and that she believed Tylee had killed her brother “by accident” and then killed herself.

“Can you imagine coming in on that scene? Can you imagine as a mother?” she said. “Imagine you come in and find two of your children deceased.”

“When I came in on that scene and they were gone, I thought Tylee did it to get back at me,” she said. “I thought it was all my fault. I thought she was mad at me and that is what had happened.”

Afterward, she said, Tylee and JJ came to her and “told me it wasn’t my fault.”

Vallow Daybell said she doesn’t know how Tylee’s body ended dismembered and burned and JJ’s stuffed into a bag and buried on the property of her fifth husband, Chad Daybell, because “I just ran out.”

Asked why she didn’t tell this story before, she said she was protecting Tylee “as her mother who has protected her her whole life.”

Vallow Daybell was convicted earlier this year of murder and conspiracy in the deaths of the two children and Chad Daybell’s first wife, Tammy Daybell, as CrimeOnline reported. She was sentenced to three life terms and promptly extradited to Arizona, where she is now awaiting trial for conspiracy in the death of her fourth husband, Charles Vallow, and the attempted murder of her niece’s ex-husband, Brandon Boudreaux.

Daybell was also convicted in the deaths of the children and his wife and has been sentenced to death.

Ryan did not make it clear if his mother knew the conversation was being recorded from the start, although near the end, he told he was planning on sharing it publicly.

The first part of the conversation contained rambling snippets of Vallow Daybell’s earlier life with her children. Colby remained calm throughout the entire hour but broke down near the end, after his mother was no longer on the phone. Early on, she told her son that there was “higher knowledge for people who need to know it.”

“People who don’t need to know it, don’t need to know it,” she said. “It comes directly from Jesus to me. It doesn’t come from any other source. It comes from Jesus Christ directly to me.”

Vallow Daybell later said that she’d had multiple direct conversations with Jesus and that he’d given her a job to do. Later, she said, she was visited by Lucifer, who told her he intended to stop her from doing the job.

“This is my mission, and my mission will be revealed as some point to everybody,” she said, adding that there’s “nothing I could have done differently.”

She also insisted she is “not crazy” and “never was,” although she was twice declared incompetent to stand trial and sent to a state facility for treatment.

“When i was at the hospital I met lots of people — I wouldn’t call them crazy; they had mental disorders,” she said. “I do not.”

Vallow Daybell did not testify at her trial, but she made a statement during the penalty phase. At that time, she also discussed her life with her children and insisted that “no one was murdered.”

“Accidental deaths happen,” she told the court. “Suicides happen. Fatal side effects from medications happen.”

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